The latest True Wales foray

on Tuesday, 17 January 2012

True Wales have made one of their first major statements since they found themselves on the wrong side in last year's referendum.

There are two sides of the coin when it comes to True Wales. In one sense, it is refreshing that they are an alternative voice to the consensus that loosely supports devolution. With the referendum and the tactics involved in that out of the way, there is a chance for them to make public statements and contribute to democracy in Wales without having the discussion centred around wild claims or inflatable pigs. On Twitter, they offer a non-establishment commentary about politics and are usually respectful and engaging with other people from the political community. The claims they make range from the fanciful to the crude, but they have a right to have their say.

But the other side of the coin is that no amount of good will towards their participation in the debate can disguise the fact that they don't obviously represent anyone. They don't have a grassroots or a rank-and-file, and it is difficult to imagine that they have a membership base anywhere near the likes of the Communists, the Greens or the minor political parties in Wales.

Insofar as the extensive research by Richard Wyn Jones and Roger Scully shows that there isn't some kind of non-voting "silent majority" lurking out there that wants a return to flat out London rule, True Wales doesn't have a discernible way of achieving its complicated programme of enhanced grassroots devolution in Wales. There isn't a political party in existence that advocates their unwieldy platform of "better devolution through having less powers", and they wouldn't ever put up candidates in elections. Initially there was an understanding that they emerged from the virulently British Labour tradition in the south-east of Wales. But these days it appears that their leading activists identify increasingly with UKIP, because they have argued that a nationalist conspiracy exists in the Labour party in Wales, and they have taken up libertarian stances on issues like taxation, the size of the state and also a Eurosceptic position.

But who could argue with Rachel Banner's "I told you so" proposition that days after the referendum was over, we had more Assembly Members, Welsh taxes, and an abolition of the Welsh Office being discussed by mainstream Welsh politicians? True Wales are keen to point out that Carwyn Jones spent alot of time saying that fiscal powers weren't on the menu.

In truth, the First Minister also linked a "Yes" vote to the possibility of Wales being fairly funded, very early on in the campaign. So when Rachel Banner claims that "the Holtham Report was treated as some dirty little secret to be kept under the Assembly mattress till the referendum campaign was over", that isn't strictly true. The stronger voices that played down the referendum could be found on the Westminster benches, where Labour's MPs portrayed it as a purely anti-Tory vote. True Wales spent their campaign calling for those same MPs to have power over Wales-only legislation.

Further, an elephant in the room for True Wales is that the Silk Commission which True Wales is now complaining about was instigated at Westminster, rather than by the Assembly Members that they regard with suspicion.

On the economy, Rachel Banner's point that "the more sluggish the Welsh economy, the more politicians will call for macro-economic powers...Our economic debilitation is a golden opportunity to make a nationalist strategy seem credible", reads like a statement of the obvious. There's an inaccuracy when it comes to "macro-economic powers", however. True Wales has made this glaring error before because macro-economic policy refers to powers over currency, interest rates and monetary policy. At a time when even the SNP will leave these powers with Westminster, it's implausible to claim that Welsh politicians have been calling for them, and it's actually impossible for the Silk Commission to advocate them.

In closing, True Wales is always worth looking at because they're the only voice openly opposing the principle of self-government for Wales, and they will always get some coverage by default. But it would be a mistake to suggest that they have a point or that they represent a significant part of the Welsh people. It's ironic that an organisation which exists to criticise the "Welsh bubble" has literally only ever been heard of by people that inhabit it. What is more interesting is that the anti-devolution tendency in the Labour party appears to be asleep at the moment. Even with drastic cuts to Wales' representation at Westminster looming, there is no sign of the Kim Howells-style current. Have they now been finished off for good?

15 comments:

Anonymous said...

Didn't you hear Kim Howells on the Radio Wales phone-in yesterday? he went on about nationalism and how disturbed he was about the anti-Englishness apparently on display during the programme. It's worth listening to. Have you heard of Dr John Ball (I'm sure it was John). Used to be a lecturer at Swansea Uni. I've heard him on the radio before criticizing the economic handling of the Labour run assembly. He was basically saying that Wales should go it alone and that small nations do better.

Anonymous said...

thankfully even fewer people are listening to this wales hating rabble now than did last year, when their wild concoction of hysteria, half truths and downright lies was overwhelmingly rejected by the welsh people.

they have nothing to contribute to post march 2011 wales....or to the ongoing constitutional debate about the evolving nature of devolution and beyond in wales and scotland.

There is no longer now any serious political group or figure anywhere in the uk that would advocate overturning the democratic mandate of the peoples of wales ans scotland and returning those nations to direct over rule by london, as true wales do....true wales is completely isolated and out of step with political reality.

Leigh Richards
swansea.

Cibwr said...

I see that one True Wales member was on the letters page of the Western Mail claiming, again, that those in favour of greater devolution do so out of a desire to increase their own income and perks, as members or potential members of the National Assembly. Unfortunately this anti politicians line has some traction with a large part of the population.

Welsh Ramblings said...

It does get traction and is a real perception. But the public also wants the railways renationalised and no party is yet advocating that. Public opinion wants alot of things, but my point is that True Wales doesn't have a political vehicle for implementing any of its policies, especially as the internal ideological struggle within the Labour party hasn't gone their way.

People in Wales for example might not like the idea of "more politicians" but if you put the question to them should Wales have the same set-up as Scotland and Northern Ireland (something that entails having more AMs) you would get a positive answer.

Owen said...

I'd agree with you Ramblings that TW are a "refreshing alternative voice to the consensus" and I do genuinely believe that a TW "who watches the watchers" type party, even if it's basically a vehicle for Rachel Banner alone, could make a vital contribution to political debate in Wales.

Unfortunately I think they've left it all too late. I was expecting them to make statements several times since the referendum but they've completely missed the boat and sound like a bunch of cranks. I mean how long has it been since the Silk Commission was announced?

maen_tramgwydd said...

Why give her air time?

The BBC excluded the leaders of the SNP and Plaid Cymru from the leaders' debates effectively doubling the political coverage of the three unionist parties in Wales and Scotland at the last GE.

Meanwhile the BBC, more appropriately the EBC, gives the unelected Banner a platform, with no means to measure the level of support her self-appointed group has got.

Its appalling that the Corporation is the principal means of informing the Welsh electorate of what is going on in their own country. From viewing the BBC news I know much more about what's going on in England or London, and virtually nothing about Welsh political issues.

It is not democratically accountable, but bends to the will of the two parties which have power to decide its licence fee, and indirectly appoint its DG and members of the Trust. Effectively it's an organ of the British state.

Its lack of balance has become more apparent in recent years.
Public comments on its Scottish blogs have been curtailed, presumably because they were heavily supportive of the SNP and independence, whilst Betsan Powys' blog continues to publish overwhelmingly rampant anti-Wales and anti-Welsh opinions.

No doubt it will be used to attack Salmond and his party during the run up period to the referendum.

There is no possibility of the unionist parties devolving power over broadcasting - they would slit their throats first.

Such is the corrupt and undemocratic UK of which we in Wales and Scotland are subjects.

Anonymous said...

If you don't like it here, leave!

That's what many other have to do, why should you be any different?

Welsh Ramblings said...

Sorry Anon, who or what is that comment aimed at?

Jac o' the North said...

To go back to the first comment. I've known John Ball for over 40 years, he lectured in Economics at Swansea Met. Uni.

He was Plaid's first councillor in Swansea back in the '70s and for many years the candidate in Swansea East but, as I had done earlier, he gave up on the party.

Like me, JB believed in independence and free enterprise. Unfortunately Plaid was, and remains, a culturalist, anti-business party opposed to independence with nothing to offer the anglophone Welsh of east Swansea and similar areas looking for a better life.

If the review has done its job then we may see a better party emerge from the wreckage, but it's going to need a lot more than a change of name.

Welsh Ramblings said...

Jac- it's questionable at the very least that Plaid is an "anti-business" party, let alone the other things you accuse them of being.

After all, we're told that the Tories are a "pro-business" party but there isn't much sign of businesses doing very well under their rule, if yesterday's unemployment figures are anything to go by, let alone the appalling situation at Peacocks this week.

kp said...

Pro business versus anti business. Easy to define.

Pro business means staying out of all matters business aside from ensuring a lack of barriers to market entry, prevention of monopolistic practices and, most essentially, perpetuation of a low taxation operating environment.

Anti business means a desire to interfere with any and all things business, including the minimum wage!

No go work out where Plaid fits in all of this. And please let me know the answer.

Welsh Ramblings said...

"Pro business means staying out of all matters business aside from ensuring a lack of barriers to market entry, prevention of monopolistic practices and, most essentially, perpetuation of a low taxation operating environment."

Please could you go and look at the tax environment in the Scandinavian countries, and the living standards and business prestige they have achieved. Then tell me whether it's a low tax environment. While you're there you'll notice their minimum wage is higher than the UK's as well. Doesn't seem to have held them back.

kp said...

Didn't we change our laws on alcohol licensing because we looked closely at the behaviour of the drinking populations of some other European countries?

Oh yes, big success this turned out to be!

Now you are suggesting we do likewise in other areas. Brilliant. Go to the top of the class.

glynbeddau said...

Jac

"Like me, JB believed in independence and free enterprise".

Is this the same John Ball who left Plaid for the SDP in the 80's. Only to rejoin once there were Assembly seats up for grabs.

"Belief in freeenterprise maybe but Independence.

Welsh Ramblings said...

kp- alcohol licensing policy has nothing to do with the points I made about the minimum wage or the taxation environment.

Perhaps you could actually take on my argument with some decorum and dignity.