Ed Miliband visited Scotland this week to make an intervention into the referendum debate, in order to defend the union on vaguely left-leaning grounds.
Labour's defence of the union in the Miliband era echoes the kind of line used by Neil Kinnock in Wales in the past. The union state is necessary to fight against inequality and for social justice, and to defend pan-British creations such as the NHS and welfare state.
It is effectively a unionist version of my own position. Miliband is moving away from the emotional connection to Britain that other unionists have, and staking out a more materialist stance based on actual practical benefits he believes Scotland either receives or could receive from being part of the union.
This is the only hope unionists in Scotland have because using David Cameron to campaign there will be a waste of time. Every time Cameron or his Lib Dem partners make an appearance the poll support for independence seems to go up.
Miliband was therefore careful to suggest that Scotland "can survive" outside the UK, but that there are social justice and class reasons for Scotland to stay within the state. Namely, the welfare state and the NHS.
The problem though is that on the BBC News website today two of the main stories are the NHS being dismantled, and the welfare system being "reformed". The institutions that Labour wants to hold up as examples of British progress are disappearing because of reforms initiated by Blair and Brown, governments which Ed Miliband supported.
It isn't enough to simply say the Tories and Lib Dems are carrying out these attacks on what is left of the welfare state (which even in its present form in the UK is not that generous by European standards). Labour put everything in place for this to happen and did alot of the hard work to normalise the idea that these services should be handed over to the markets.
Miliband's message this week was that-
"I say let us confront the real divide in our society.
"Not between Scotland and the rest of the United Kingdom, but between the haves and the have-nots."
"...I am here to tell you that we need to make Scotland, England, Wales, and Northern Ireland, a fairer, more just, place to live...and we can do this best together."
What happened to the "real divide" in our society during Labour's thirteen year rule across the British state? It ballooned.
Attempts to outflank the SNP from the left will not work, because of Labour's appalling record in office. Their so-called aspirational politics have in fact ruined the ambitions of the current younger generations who are facing record levels of unemployment. This is why in his interview with Jeremy Paxman, Alex Salmond said that the Green Party for example is progressive, but Labour had "sometimes been progressive in the past" and definitely isn't anymore.
I will always defend patriotism and national sentiment to the hilt; and in fact, outside of the narrow-minded British Left it is completely normal for socialists in Ireland, the Basque Country, Sweden, Catalonia or Iceland (this is without even mentioning Latin America or Asia) to have a patriotic as well as a class outlook. For some reason this is allowed in all of those areas but in the UK we inexplicably have to support the union state for class reasons (or so goes the Labour logic). Alot of people will never be convinced by romantic nationalism alone and need to see material evidence that their interests will be advanced by nationalist parties. In Scotland, I simply don't see public services and the welfare state being safer under Labour- and neither does the electorate.
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Totally agree! There is no national left of centre party in the UK at the moment. There are just varying degrees of Conservatism. UK Labour are the modern equivalent of one nation Tories.
The Tories are even more mired in right wing dogma than even Thatcher was. The only hope for left wing politics in Scotland, Wales and Cornwall is to go head-on for Independence. The alternative is hard or soft right UK government.
As for England perhaps the Unions should pull the rug from New Labour and form a honest left of centre party. Can't see that happen though too many Union leaders on a nice little earner to rock the boat!
You say, 'I will always defend patriotism and national sentiment to the hilt'.
Great stuff. So defend the Sheltand Islanders and the right to retain their Nordic roots (and most of the oil in Scotland).
Poor old Scotland!
kp- The Shetland Islanders have a right to their own identity but they are not a nation. They're not a constituent nation of the UK for example. There's no self-determination or independence movement in Shetland apart from the SNP. In fact if you follow the debate you'll find that it's the SNP that are now making the claim that Scotland is a Nordic country!
Being a nation is about politics, if the Shetland Islanders wish to be a nation so be it ...
... much like the Faroe Islanders, part of the Kingdom of Denmark; self-governing overseas administrative division of Denmark since 1948, but the Islanders consider themselves a nation with their own national anthem.
Spot on, except I can't agree that miliband eschewed the sort of emotive claptrap that his type often accuse the SNP of - Braveheartism, - except in the unionist case it is the 'we fought fascism side by side . . .'rubbish. Ed's evocation of his father - himself coming from a land that is facing imminent division, Belgium - and his attachment to 'Britain -, not England or Scotland' is itself either ignorant of his father's true views, or completely disingenuous.
'However, what Ed didn’t reveal was what his father, a refugee from Nazism in Europe, really thought of the England. “The Englishman is a rabid nationalist. They are perhaps the most nationalist people in the world .... England first. This slogan is taken for granted by the English people as a whole. To lose their empire would be the worst possible humiliation.”' - (Thanks to WeegieWarbler for that)
What strikes me hardest about Ed's speech, though, is despite a lot of work having gone into it, it is actually rather empty of content. Is this really the best they can do?
By the way, and nice deconstruction of the Unionist dirty tricks techniques HERE
John said- "Being a nation is about politics, if the Shetland Islanders wish to be a nation so be it ...
... much like the Faroe Islanders, part of the Kingdom of Denmark; self-governing overseas administrative division of Denmark since 1948, but the Islanders consider themselves a nation with their own national anthem."
Well aware of the Faroes John. The Faroe Islands have an independence movement and two nationalist party, and national rights. The Shetlands don't. The Shetland islanders don't want to be a nation, as far as the political evidence suggests.
Excellent post. Put simply, the unionist Positive Case for the Union is based on a Britain that no longer exists. If you assume that Britain alone fought the Nazis, that there is a single British NHS that exists to this day, and that our welfare system is being protected, then they would have a point. But wars are always fought with allies, the NHS in Scotland is being protected while the (English?) NHS is being dismantled, and the welfare state is under attack.
It is completely disingenuous of unionists to use this sort of image to guilt Scots into voting no, because it's an image of Britain that hasn't existed since 1948, if indeed it ever really did exist. It completely ignores the reality of the past 30-odd years of neo-liberal dogma, and the current state of the UK.
The only question is: do they honestly believe their own lies (I suspect many Labour supporters in Scotland tragically do, mainly through blindness of their hatred for the SNP), or are they just worried about the UK losing its position in the world, e.g. in UN Security Council?
Interesting to note that calls for the Scottish Island's independence have come from London rather than the islanders themselves. Could this be another dirty tick?
A comprehensive review of the Black Arts being deployed by the unionist ministry of misinformation HERE
Doug- indeed, and I also think the technocratic, post-ideological era ushered in during the New Labour years diluted the robustness of Britain being a state. With such a focus on the accumulation of capital at all costs, usually entailing the breaking down of borders and traditional nation-state features, the name of the country in which you live becomes unimportant. That's why this nostalgic post-war social democratic appeal has no modern content to back it up.
When you say ask "do they honestly believe their own lies ", I think you'd have to get stuck in to the ideological contradictions within the Labour party to answer that. The imperialist, great power stuff doesn't make sense anymore because it has been tainted by the criminal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan which were a big part of New Labour's "human rights" agenda (don't laugh). But the functional, social democratic, pro-welfare stuff is probably heartfelt, albeit flawed.
The ideological imperialist unionism of the Labour Party is not always synonymous with the 'left' as a whole. It should be noted that the first ever constituency in Wales to vote a majority calling for Welsh independence was Rhondda East in 1945 (Communist and Plaid who secured more votes than the Labour candidate, a viceroy of Rhodesia), not Carmarthen (Gwynfor Evans) in 1966. The IS a unique tradition of those on the 'left' of Welsh politics support Welsh independence, and that representation should be made by Plaid Cymru. For those on the 'left' in Wales to support of independence is both natural and practical. The issue of independence is an ideological dilemma inside the Labour Party who have become the whipping boys of British unionism, and it is for Plaid Cymru to expose it.
Anon 01:13- very interesting- I completely agree. I was careful to say that this is the Labour party adopting a soft left Unionism as a tactic, rather than this kind of line being an inherently "left" thing to do. Everywhere I look in the world the left is either forcefully patriotic and anti-imperialist, or indifferent about nations in general. Labour's Unionism is neither. I could buy the idea that they simply don't care what nation-state arrangement they are in, and simply have a dialectical materialist view of the world, but in practice they romanticise Unionism by trying to associate it with welfarism and socialist policies. And actually the more right-wing elements of their party actively support imperialism and war etc. Obviously in Ireland the trade union and labour movements took quite a different stance towards imperialism!
As I understand it, Home rule for Wales was in Keir Hady's manifesto and remained a Labour policy until 1955, when Aneurin Bevan with his views about the international proleteriat being more important than his own nation's workers, persuaded the conference to throw it out.
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